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Rock & Roll Grill

A recent benefit ends up helping no one.

What was supposed to be a May 2 benefit show at the Rock & Roll Grill (1531 Champa Street), one of downtown's two all-ages venues, ended up more of a melee that left a huge hole in the stage — and lots of hard feelings.

An online shouting match broke out on the Denver Message Board after one Mitchell Sprinsky of Stifler's Mom, which had hosted the benefit show for Sox Place, wrote about how the club's staff had been rude. He also shared his distaste for the club's downstairs stage:

"Because we are a little hyper, we tend to bounce around a lot. Our bass player ended up falling through the stage. He's lucky he didn't break his ankle but it left a nice hole. Apparently there was a piece of plywood that was supposed to be on top of the weak area. No one told us that. The stage was made out of particleboard, which is just begging for a disaster, and there were many areas that seemed to be patched. With the hole through it, it was easy to tell it was not cross-beamed."

But Aaron Rodgers, Rock & Roll's doorman, claims he alerted the bands to the hole, which was covered by a big piece of wood — until Stifler's Mom moved it. "There was a small hole there, and they stomped in a bigger hole," Rodgers says. "It looked like somebody just ran and jumped and did a cannonball into the stage. We asked them what happened. And all a sudden they came up with a story, 'Well, our guitarist, he's hurt now.' They only brought that up when we were like, 'Hey, our stage is damaged. Somebody needs to come and fix this. What are we going to do about it?' They all just got shy and quiet and kind of took off. They didn't even ask for their money. They just took off after the show."

According to Brian Robertson, the club's owner, a speaker was also damaged that night and food was taken from the kitchen. "When I wrote to the guys from Stifler's Mom explaining all the things they had done to my place," Robertson says, "they wrote back and said, 'Well, what do you expect us to do? How do you expect us to act? We're a punk band.'"

"We had seven bands. Some of them are borderline punk. None of them are rough people. None of them tear places apart," Sprinsky responds. "This was a really behaved, good crowd, despite some of the look of the kids there. They dressed punk for the night and they were having a good time. But nobody was doing anything destructive. And I would guarantee you that I would never allow it. I would be the first one to call the police to take them out of there."

Because it was a benefit, Robertson says he let the guys in Stifler's Mom book the music. "I don't usually do that on a Friday night, because that's what pays the bills," he adds. "It was planned a long time ago. I let them have a little run of the place. They started tearing down the posters. They trashed my place big time."

Sin, the singer of Primasonic, which was on the bill that night, had his own problems with Rodgers. "We feel like he kind of double-crossed us," he says. "He was pretty rude and whatnot. The other thing that pissed me off was that we thought it was kind of shady that an $8 cover miraculously turned into a $10 cover. That was kind of messed up, since it's hard enough to get people to pay $8."

"When we feel disrespected," Rodgers responds, "we're not going to treat you with the same respect. I definitely felt disrespect by Stifler's Mom. They instantly came in and told me what my job and my responsibility was, and my responsibility was to accommodate them. But at the same time, I'm supposed to follow the direction of the owner. He tells who can come in and who can't."

This is the first major incident at the club since it opened two and a half years ago, Robertson says. And while it's still undetermined who will pay for the repairs, the biggest loser is already clear: Sox Place, which didn't get anything from the night.


Club scout: Eric Gunnison, one of the city's finest jazz keyboardists, just started a Thursday-night residency at Dazzle (930 Lincoln Street) with Wake Up Call, his new project that's a post-fusion mix of rock and jazz. The group, which is in the vein of Weather Report, also features drummer Mike Marlier and bassist Mark Simon. The music starts at 10:30 p.m.; there's a $5 cover and $3 "You-Name-It" Bacardi drink specials. DJ Vajra, who's done gigs with A Tribe Called Quest, the Roots and De La Soul, just kicked off a weekly Saturday residency at Brix (3000 East Third Avenue) in Cherry Creek. Finally, Spill (1410 Market Street) has extended its happy hour on Thursdays, when you can get $2 domestic beers and $4 call and well drinks until 11 p.m. The club also hosts a happy hour from 4 to 9 p.m. every Friday, with $2 Miller Lite bottles, $4 calls and wells, and the Miller Girls on the rooftop patio.

 
  • David 09/28/2009 9:36:00 AM

    Worst venue I have ever played for. The manager didn't tell the door guys that my wife was going to be free and almost didn't get her in. My band got treated like crap! they didn't communicate the pay system well and I got screwed. I had to pay for my own parking. The door man Aaron is the biggest jerk to work with! He doesn't care about the bands. Way to bite the hand that feeds you!!! Go check out http://www.myspace.com.... They actually wrote a song about him.

  • Joel Patterson 05/23/2008 6:15:00 PM

    This is a common history for The Rock and Roll Grill, back when it was still J.C. grounds.....they invited a couple of my friends punk bands in to play.....locked the basement door behind them....gave them no set time to play....and told them they were done after 2 songs they decided to play while a Christian took an hour of set up time upstairs. When the band expressed frustration with traveling 30 miles and paying for parking, they door man threatened them with physical violence. Two days later these bands were accused of damaging speakers (much like the recent incident), which I personally witnessed no such vandalism. My band, REDO, is playing there tonight, so expect a full review!!!!!

  • Ryan 05/19/2008 4:22:00 PM

    All I gotta say is that I was there allmost until the place closed and didn't see any damage. Spent most of the time upstairs, tho, so I don't know what went down in the basement. But I have to agree that the doorguy was a douche. My friends and me will never go back to this shithole. But, Primasonic & Daisycutter, if you're reading this, we'll see you again soon. You both rokkk!!!!

  • Sickgirlz 05/16/2008 11:01:00 PM

    The benefit was not fruitless. We were able to raise nearly 10 large barrels of donated items for the "benefit" Although the night was a failure, the benefit itself was NOT! We began the drive 6 weeks prior to the show and had many many kind donations and support from several local motorcycle dealerships!

  • Brandi-Prez of Sickgirlz 05/16/2008 5:25:00 PM

    I felt very uncomfortable at Rock and Roll grill that evening. The evening started by Rock and Roll Grill asking the two organizers of the benefit, myself and the VP to pay the $10 cover, which was orginally posted as $8. The doorman was pretty much like "I don't care WHO you are or WHO your with, you don't come in without paying $10. Keep in mind we were bringing in barrels and promo materials for our Charity Sox Place. The doorman was EXTREMELY RUDE! I almost wanted to walk away the moment I arrived. Also, the spokesperson for Sox Place "whom we we were doing the benefit for" was also turned away at the door. He was also outraged at the doormans behavior and lack of respect to potential patrons to their establishment. I was so distraught with the behavior of the managment that we packed up our stuff and left one hour into the event. I will never promote Rock and Roll Grill or advise anyone to have events there. So so sad for Sox Place that this event was a flop because the establishment was so self involved. However I do have to say Thank You to the bands, especially Stifflers Mom and Daisycutter for being so great through it all. Not one time did they make us feel like anything was not worth while. I hope to work with them again! Tak care guys!

  • Mitchell 05/15/2008 2:54:00 PM

    Wow. Jon didn't post half of what I told him and left out some very important parts of our conversation. Brian (who seems to call himself Mick, when I first spoke to him on MySpace), was the one who ASKED me to get the other bands. The first band I pulled into the line up was Daisy Cutter. They had been working with an organization called the SickGirlz, a group of female motorcross and casual riders who raise money for charity and do a great job at promoting their events. Daisy Cutter asked if I would be willing to do something for them, and I said certainly. We could always use the promotion help. In working with the SickGirlz, we came up with Sox Place as the charity. I then emailed Brian (or his alter ego Mick) to tell him of the plans. Through the entire planning, press release, and promotion of the event, Brian (Mick) was emailed. Each time he read or replied to the emails (MySpace is good that way) with "right on, 'bro" or "I am down with all that". Each time he was informed of the new bands added, ones that had dropped, who the sponsors were, and what the plans for the evening were. There were NO surprises. That entire evening, I was running between the two floors to make sure that MY show went off without a hitch. After all, it was Stifler's Mom that was presenting it. Between the floors, I watched people, how they were acting, what was transpiring, and if they liked the show. For a "punk" crowd, it was more subdued that church on a Sunday. There was no riff-raff. Hell, riff-raff can't afford to spend $10 to see a bunch of local punk bands. During the day, I have an executive occupation. I have a highly skilled career where I have training and experienced on how to deal with people, managing expectations, communication, planning, and project management. I take everything I do very seriously and have a high amount of respect for others no matter what they do in work or life. I manage the band with the same amount of energy and respect, and I have always made sure that the venue we are performing in comes first. This is a project about fun, not about making money. It is also about some amount of mutual respect, and as you will see when I post the MySpace messages that transpired between the RRG and SM before the show, there was always mutual respect and a clear communication of expectations. For anyone that wants a truthful story, I urge you to contact Brandi of the SickGirlz on their MySpace page or Doyle Robinson at Sox Place. You are also free to contact any of the places Stifler's Mom has or is playing and see the relationships we have built. Furthermore, the stage already was damaged and the board covering it moved. The board was not nailed or screwed down over the hole. Even if it were covering it, which it wasn't, how can one expect it to stay put with a band moving all over the stage. When you have a 200+ pound man fall through a small hole, it only makes sense the whole would be bigger afterward. That whole scene was a scary event. As I turned around while singing saw my bass player hip deep in a stage. Best regards, Mitchell Sprinsky

  • Sin (Primasonic) 05/15/2008 9:02:00 AM

    Just a couple of things to clear up: 1. Jon, you quoted me almost verbatim (and kudos for that) except for the "We feel like he kind of double-crossed us," comment. I never said that. Hell...I don't recall ever having even used the words "double-crossed" in my life. Who am I, James Cagney? 2. Concerning the quote ["When I wrote to the guys from Stifler's Mom explaining all the things they had done to my place," Robertson says, "they wrote back and said, 'Well, what do you expect us to do? How do you expect us to act? We're a punk band.'"] --- Is anyone to actually BELIEVE that Stifler's Mom said this??? Or wrote it? That's seems like a stretch...but, if you show us some proof (like an email, for instance) then I'll be more than happy to concede your point, Brian. 3. This was our second time playing the R&R Grill and we (personally) have never dealt with Brian. It's always been Mick...and he seems like a stand-up dude. Never had a problem with him. Hell, I didn't even have a problem with Brian...until reading his blatant and outright LIES. For instance, the quote ["I let them have a little run of the place. They started tearing down the posters. They trashed my place big time."] --- We were there until after the last band (Daisy Cutter) finished their set and I can assure everyone that NO posters were torn down from the walls...nor was the place trashed "big time". Hell, it wasn't trashed at all, other than the hole in the downstairs stage. And that, my friend, is the club's responsibility. Placing some wood over it? How about if you had NAILED some wood over it, instead? That might have been more effective in preventing any mishaps. 4. Speaking for my own band, we have played just about every punk-friendly club in town and have yet to have a problem with any of them. We don't like to cause or start any drama. We are there to have fun playing some ass-kickin' punk 'n roll and ALWAYS have a good time. However, speaking for myself...I am not one to keep my mouth shut when someone is blatantly misleading people (as Brian is doing). 5. If anyone has any problems with these comments feel free to get a hold of me. 6. Thank you...and goodnight, Cleveland.

 

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