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F 09/21/2010 1:39:00 PM
You know, I wish it had been Billy Corgan who painted his greenhouse red with brain matter instead, but honestly, when I think about it, I'm sure Nirvana 2010 would've produced the same pathetic, trivial, watered-down, washed-up, whored-out, talentless shit we hear from today's Billy Corgan and Smashing Pumpkins-or is that Billy Corgan AS Smashing Pumpkins? Who needs back-up muscians (re:BAND) when your "genius is too big," right, Bryan?
If he really was that smart, he'd have taken a cue from the Pixies, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr., etc. Stop. While. You're. Ahead. Or at least when you start taking steps backwards. The Pixies started releasing crap, but put an end to it quickly. They humbled themselves with lives of mediocrity, retained integrity, and after gaining posthumous legendary status, came back-with ALL FOUNDING MEMBERS and a fucking vengeance-to the absolute delight of almost all of their fans. Almost the exact same story with the other aforementioned bands as well. And without shoving mindless new material down our throats, mind you. Hell, he could've followed Kurt's example. He knew when to stop, and how. Look where it got him. Maybe you should blow your brains out, Billy.
Yeah, maybe I'm in the same boat as Miss Davies. Maybe I get stuck in early 90's alternative rock limbo sometimes. But I'll tell ya this: I'll take Nirvana over Kings of Stupid Fucking Leon any day of the week. Give me Pixies and Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine over MGMT and Vampire Weekend and Justin Beiber and Lady FUCKING Gaga and any other example anyone might have of contemporary "musical integrity." Smashing Pumpkins 1993 or Billy Corgan 2010? Gee, hmmmmm, that's a tough one.....
P.S., Kyle.....you're an idiot. Bree is 10x the musician you or Whiney Corgan could ever hope to be. Chump.
P.P.S., Rod Steele, great articulation. Way to drive it home at the end there. No honestly, I'm not trying to "critisise" you or anything.....derelict motherfucker.
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freekinhell 09/19/2010 8:45:00 PM
D'Arcy wasn't a founding member, the two founding members were Billy Corgan and James Iha.
And you say that you can't/won't listen to Adore, so surely that just makes you unsuitable for any form of comment on the Pumpkins' music. Adore is inarguably the most personal of all the Pumpkins' albums so far, but you seem to be stuck in the early 90's.
Grow up, you write like a tearful twelve year old.
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Greg Schwartz 09/18/2010 12:24:00 AM
Agree with all the commenters who say this writer needs to get a life. It's too bad Jimmy left, but it is great to see Billy carry on. He has always been the heart and soul of the band. The 2007 shows at the Fillmore were EPIC. I am psyched to see the band on this new tour...
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Mike 09/17/2010 9:53:00 PM
It's not fair for you to expect an artist to be a stagnant version of their initial success. Music evolves by artists taking risks.
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Wednesday 09/17/2010 6:53:00 PM
You got some breakup letters over your breakup letter.
They may not like you, but they clearly used your style of journalism to rip you.
I will quote Elf and direct it to everyone involved in this thread, "Does somebody need a hug?"
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Geoff 09/17/2010 3:57:00 PM
Bree, you are obviously clueless as to who the Pumpkins really were on Siamese Dream, Billy and Jimmy, no Darcy and James. So dont be spouting off about the Pumpkins needing a name change. You have no clue the musical genius of Billy and just because he doesnt play Today and all the other MTV hits, it doesnt mean his shows are sh*t, all it tells me is that you only have tolerance for radio hits. Really, Billy and SP doesnt need "fans" like you who only want the MTV crap anyway. And a bitter old man....who is the bitter one here, you or Billy? It seems to me you have nothing better going on in your life than to write hate filled stories. I cant stand the bullsh*t media nowadays and bullsh*t hate articles like this one. Bree Davies likes to take cheap shots and doesnt have the imagination to actually write about something relevant in music, so this is the crap we get. Oh well, its not like I would ever have seen this site or heard of her lame ass name if it hadnt been for Billy Corgan. Remember that, big shot.
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TRAVIS 09/17/2010 2:28:00 AM
Bree sounds like she got dumped in a bar while 1979 was playing. I know it's rough reliving those memories, but it wasn't Billy's fault.
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tyler 09/17/2010 12:29:00 AM
this is satire, right?
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Bryan 09/16/2010 8:34:00 PM
WOW! You are completely wrong. Billy is SP, always has, always will be. You mention D'Arcy and James Iha? What have they done creatively since leaving the band that would indicate they have any talent whatsoever. I'm sick of you people holding on to Siamese Dream. GET OVER IT! The SP sound, and BC for that matter, cannot be pigeon-holed. His genius is too big. I have seen them twice on their most recent tour and LOVED every minute. The new material blended perfectly with the old, and the energy between the band members was a beautiful thing to behold. Critics like you make me sick. We of true belief, don't need you.
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Kyle 09/16/2010 6:14:00 PM
Bree..... you're an idiot. Go listen to Black Keys and try to be trendy with your musical opinion. In the end, you don't understand what it is to be a musician, or what you would do for something you believe in.
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Baybee momma 09/16/2010 5:46:00 PM
THANK YOU BREE! Billy blows!
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Austin 09/16/2010 4:39:00 PM
Hey Bree, maybe it's time to move the fuck on! I really doubt Bill Corgan gives a shit about his legacy in your mind or anyone else who was a teenager in '93. Some of us our young and fell in love with this band in '07 and we're in love with the entire collection. Please take your boring, pointless '93 teenager nostalgia and shut the hell up! Go start a club with other losers who long for the past. The new stuff is MUCH better than anything else that is out there now in our shitty new hipster indie music culture. The Smashing Pumpkins aren't around for you anymore.
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Bree Davies 09/16/2010 4:37:00 PM
Zac- Thank you for the correction on Pisces Iscariot!
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Jay 09/16/2010 3:50:00 PM
She should go to the show. It's obvious she needs to work through all this pent up frustration. Bree, check it out and if you feel an urge to do anything violent just say to yourself over and over "It's just a guy doing what he loves, creating something, and it can't hurt me." Maybe throw something in there about loving everyone for good measure.
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Jay 09/16/2010 3:36:00 PM
Man are you bitter. Speaking of growing up... Corgan should just crawl in a hole and die since you're finished with him. Anything he does now messes up your teenaged fantasy world where Bill suicided after MCIS. Oh brother!
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Phil 09/16/2010 3:19:00 PM
Bree you should go to this show. You might just change your mind about the band. I know its not the lineup from 93, but at least now you can understand the backup vocals, the bass doesn't play wrong notes and Billy his solidified his place as one of the best guitar players around. And if you think he's made a downgrade on the drums, Mike Byrne is making a strong argument to the contrary.
This might be the 2010 lineup of the band, but get over it. The music pure and they are all on stage because they want to be. And it shows in the energy level and quality of shows they've been putting on since July of this summer.
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zac 09/16/2010 1:42:00 PM
nice article...really imformative pfft!!... how about an article thats relevant like the current album? or the tour that they are currently on?
btw its pisces iscariot, not pisces escariot ;)
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Rod Steele 09/16/2010 8:55:00 AM
Wow... you are bitter. First, you raged about how much you hated this band in 2008 for the DenverPost.com (http://blogs.denverpost.com/reverb/2008/12/08/the-smashing-pumpkins-the-ogden-theatre/), which you then elaborated on in your personal blog (http://breedavies.blogspot.com/2008/12/we-are-fossils-relics-of-our-time-we.html).
Here you are again banging a door nobody cares about for an easy deadline probably. Your opinion is very close-minded and abject because your position as some unforgiving bitch in the media allows you to vent your frustration that your teenage lifeline doesn't rub your bits in the right way anymore. How about you grow up and write about something you enjoy? Oh wait... then someone would critisise you for being so happy and shit. Dumb bitch
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Davidh 09/16/2010 7:11:00 AM
what a terrible article....get over Siamese Dream, it's not even their best record. what is the point of this open letter other than to kick a man who is doing what he loves to do and is having the time of his life (according to interviews). if you don't like them anymore why do you bother, just seems you wasting your life on trivial things.
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RICKWOODERSON 09/16/2010 1:14:00 AM
Dear Adam,
in case you are blind, she doesn't listen to their new music. But she is allowed to talk all she wants.. as are you which is why you're here bitching about someones article. If you don't like her opinion, why don't you take your own advice, and ignore it! If Corgan wants to keep making music under Smashing Pumpkins, and pretend that he is still writing real music, you're right. that is his right. but there is nothing special or genuine about it. but thank you Adam, for your point of view. its as pointless as new SP material.
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Adam 09/15/2010 9:39:00 PM
If you don't like the Smashing Pumpkins anymore, don't listen to their new music and don't talk about them. Those that still enjoy the music can listen and people like you can ignore it. If Corgan wants to keep making music under the Pumpkins banner, it's his right and your bitching isn't going to change that.