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Lets Get Honest 10/07/2011 7:12:00 AM
(I see most of the discussion below is pro/con abstinence education based on personal experience. I am from the Bay Area, California, and it took quite a bit of trauma and loss, and determination to stop channeling energies into the standard liberal/progressive (or men/women) etc. talk and simply start looking things up.
LOOK -- the principal outfit running the family law system, and behind its design is (now) called "AFCC" -- Association for Family & Conciliation Courts. It began most likely as a Los Angeles County Judge's Slush Fund (which others have documented ) and in tax evasion. Finally someone got on its tail, and it incorporated. You wouldn't know this from their website's history.
ONE of the places this PRIVATE nonprofit group decided to incorporate was in Denver, and the registered agent was a Jessica Pearson; in other words, it jumped from state to state when the IRS and Franchise Tax Board got on its tail.
The other two organizations I mentioned (above), initials CPR & PSI, were formed in about the 1980s, and Jessica Pearson and about 6 other women run CPR. It is far more influential than people realize. Both these groups are in Denver.
https://www.policy-studies.com/about-us/history/
http://www.centerforpolicyresearch.org/AboutUs/tabid/232/Default.aspx
http://www.centerforpolicyresearch.org/Projects/tabid/234/Default.aspx (shows some of the contracts and the range of them)
If someone would like some proof or what is said at “Beware AFCC” (google it) and that Jessica Pearson, of Center for Policy Research, has organizational connections to the AFCC, which itself has direct connections of SOME sort, to the Los Angeles County Courthouse (at least the one at 111 Hill Street), I’ll give you this one:
(taken from CA secretary of State site):
Entity Name: ASSOCIATION OF FAMILY CONCILIATION COURTS
Entity Number: C1091990
Date Filed: 10/01/1981 * * * *
Status: SURRENDER
Jurisdiction: ILLINOIS
* *Entity Address: 1720 EMERSON ST
Entity City, State, Zip: DENVER CO 80218
* * *Agent for Service of Process: MARGARET LITTLE
Agent Address: 111 N HILL ST
Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90012
This is why I am willing to, from CA, write about a Denver Group sounding like a nutcase. I'm not. I'm a bloodhound over what has happened, here....
"PREP" curriculum was designed out of UDenver and is being being pushed utilizing TANF (Welfare), Child Support, and Child Welfare systems to promote marriage education as the cure to society's ills.
http://www.prepinc.com/shopping/ProductList.aspx?ID=87
Whether you are for or against abstinence education, this is one thing for sure: It's private profit at public expense -- YOURS, if you pay taxes. YOUR kids' future if you have kids. Teach your on children to have safe sex, or not have sex (pick one), but in the meantime, please show the an example of civic responsibility (like I have -- and I've been a single mother) -- and pay attention to where your taxes are going. $4 billion yearly goes into child & family support enforcement -- that's not the payments, that's the administrative bureaucracy. Meanwhile, from those funds, these programs are being marketed. The money isn't going to solving marital or teen pregnancy -- it's mostly going to profit anyone in the business of designing a media campaign!
I happen to be a Christian, and I think it strange (or simply hypocritical) that the people who claim to have come from a background that admits the 10 Commandments (incl. the first one) are what this society needs for as values, have idolized the institution of marriage. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Good grief, and Jesus himself was considered a bastard...
Anyhow, I erroneously said "Center for Relationship Education", which was formed 9/4/2009 was dissolved in "2010." No, it was dissolved 12/15/2009, for what it's worth.
I also failed to provide a link (to my blog) I referenced.
http://familycourtmatters.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/bush-faith-based-initiatives-in-the-hands-of-obama-2-good-reads-from-the-rockefeller-institute-for-government/
Or
http://familycourtmatters.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/how-to-tell-psi-in-denver-from-psi-in-denver/
That's the one explaining some of the Denver-based organizations (and their grants), plus showing the designers of "PREP" are also involved in Oklahoma's Marriage Initiative.
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Lets Get Honest 10/07/2011 6:14:00 AM
Andy, I think I need to talk with you -- soon. Your average person wouldn't realize that this group WAIT training got $8.3 million in funding (which info is available at TAGGS.hhs.gov). IN addition, they were lately found doing Marriage Retreats for the DOD (see USASpending.gov, search DUNS#). Moreover, MacKenzie's group doesn't file corporate returns with Colorado, and almost got shut down? on 9/4/2009. The same day, she incorporated 3 more groups (placeholders), 2 of which were shut down quickly (Failure to file) formed a similarly -named "Center for Relationship Education," a nonprofit which lasted all of 3 months, and which founding papers says that any of its assets get to be distributed by the registered agent (i.e., herself) at dissolution. It was dissolved 2010. Then on their site, they claim that the name change took place in 2010 ..
No, they ("WAIT Training at the time") just about got shut down.
Also, in January 2010:
http://wthrockmorton.com/2010/01/05/wait-training-breaks-ties-with-martin-ssempa-over-anti-homosexuality-bill/
But, the reason for name change from WAIT (abstinence emphasis) Training to "The Center for Relationship Education" characterized on the site as
http://myrelationshipcenter.charityfinders.com/News%20and%20Research (broadened scope of services.....)
Another group involved with Ssempa & with ties to federal abstinence (marriage, etc.) funding is from Arizona, and has ties to a family with close ties to the Bush family: Pastor Leo Godzich, "N.A.M.E." I name names and quote donations (and US grants) on this page, if you scroll down:
http://familycourtmatters.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/bush-faith-based-initiatives-in-the-hands-of-obama-2-good-reads-from-the-rockefeller-institute-for-government/
(Looks like I quoted an article by you on here, too). Background in the Godziches. Not the best post on it, but the one I found just now).
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I have been tracking some of this funding for 2 years now (see my other comments) and can show you, for example, how the HHS/ACF is (intentionally?) giving money away by the millions to outfits known to not be staying incorporated. The profits eventually go to some PR or media corporation.
In Colorado, PREP, Inc. -- ties back to two professors at U. Denver, Scott M. Stanley & Howard J. Markman. I found this simply by looking at the incorporation papers, and searching where their names came up together.
http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/ViewImage.do?fileId=19951063771&masterFileId=19911038854
PREP (this Curriculum out of Denver Univ) is also recommended by childwelfare.gov as a fatherhood program (which it is) and if you want to see it getting marketed some more, with the help of ultra-conservative Wade Horn, who was a co-founder (1994) of the "National Fatherhood Initiative in 1994, right before? his stint with HHS ended . .. Look HERE:
http://peerta.acf.hhs.gov/pdf/region6.pdf
(2003 leadership conference. Search for "PREP" or Dr. Stanley. There's also a presenter from "The Heritage Foundation" (if you know about them).
I have to go, but will be back, or there's my blog. I'm curious that Gov. Ritter's Personal Responsibility Education Program has same acronym as a curriculum that's been in action (based in Greeley CO / and at Denver Univ.) since, like 1991 or so . . .. . "PREP."
"Ritter declined the reported $3.2 million in abstinence-only funding available to Colorado, electing instead to seek funding for comprehensive sex education through the federal Personal Responsibility Education Program. Colorado was awarded approximately $793,000 in PREP funds each year from 2010 through 2014."
I'd like to see that grant award....
This link (two posts in a row) profiles two (at least) influential groups -- from Denver (Center for Policy Research (CPR) & Policy Studies, Inc. ("PSI") -- and some of their founders, and corps. by those founders, and the trade names of at least of them. CPR is nonprofit, PSI is it's "for-profit" arm. David A. Price . . . . .
The second one (as there are two orgs with the name "PSI" in Denver, the 2nd one "Public Strategies Inc." is OK-based with a satellite office in Denver. If you carefully look at some of the personnel in Public Strategies Inc., which I profile and have some photos/links to on that post -- I see that our gentlemen Scott Stanley, Howard Markmann (who both designed the PREP curriculum) along with their younger colleague (Ph.D. 2007) Gabriela Rhoades (all UDenver) and Paul Amato (Penn State) etc. etc. . . . are working consistently to promote each other nationwide, as funded in large part by grants from one source: THe U.S. HHS/ACF.
I want this funding stopped because it's screwing up the family courts, and because of how it was forced on the public, including the pentecostal right-wing version of how life should be. The other reason being is that I think a lot of the organizations are simply slush funds. THey take the money and run, and our government allows this -- and one does have to wonder why. Is some of it getting "kicked back" ??
If you contact me at my site, I can email. I'll be back!
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Trent Wharfield 08/26/2011 8:38:00 PM
It's just more Christian zealots trying to impose antiquated judges of morality onto the next generation. I'm sorry -- but our generation doesn't buy your fairy tale book, er, Bible.
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08/17/2011 4:34:00 PM
"That money is now paying for abstinence programs to go to public school auditoriums, training conferences, churches and community centers throughout Colorado, spreading the message that abstinence-only-until-marriage is the only way to have disease-free, worthwhile sex."
That is the simple truth. What could possibly be bad with that? The fact that some kids won't get the message? And our answer should be, "Teach them to be promiscuous"? That's just like stopping testing them for math skills because too many fail.
The problems we face in this country are mostly caused by our moral decline. Any and every way we can stop and even reverse that decline is good for our country's future.
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Proud Mom 08/17/2011 4:01:00 AM
No. The presentation was wonderful. They used the tape to show the innocent girl to be transparent....not a filthy rag. She was beautiful and when she gave herself to the young man she left with a part of him. She didn't bond as easily to the next person she was with because she still had memories and feelings (whether they were positive or negative) as a result of her previous relationship. That was the purpose of the tape. Period. And it wasn't just her beliefs that she was portraying. It is fact that our first love sticks in our hearts for our lifetime. They just do. So she was telling these kids not to give it away so freely. Period.
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Jmpmk2 08/16/2011 10:29:00 PM
That's just creepy.
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Susan 08/16/2011 6:57:00 PM
Parents should be talking with their kids about sex and sexuality. It is the role of schools however to teach medically accurate facts and information that can help all students make the decisions that are right for them. Not all families feel the same way as you about waiting for marriage to become sexually active. And approximately 98% of married people have had sex prior to marriage, so I think imposing your beliefs on everyone else is at best short sighted and at worse oblivious.
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Megan Stewart 08/16/2011 5:24:00 PM
I was particularly shocked by this, because my son attends Loveland High School, and I wasn't as a parent given any notification or consent as to whether he should be allowed to attend this seminar. I just asked him and he said they were given a chance to take time out of academic classes to attend a sex and dating seminar. Fortunately, my son is academically motivated, and opted for his academic classes instead, but you can imagine what most student's choice would be!
The woman in the video appears sadistic and psychologically abusive, sort of like having your child taught sex education by the Queen of Narnia. As a mother, I wouldn't want her anywhere near my teenage child.
What the article fails to consider is that this seminar isn't just abusive toward LGBT teens, but to straight teenagers as well. The objectivization of a young woman as a piece of tape is unconscionable. I suffered from depression as a teenager, and I could see a particularly sensitive young woman committing suicide as a result of this presentation. Imagine, in particular, a teenage girl who's been the victim of sexual molestation, incest or rape being told that she's now a limp, filthy rag who "needs therapy!" as the woman proclaimed with fiendish delight.
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08/16/2011 3:29:00 PM
Actually, in Bristol's book, it's clear she was RAPED. Typical conservative, finding any way possible to blame and oppress women. And abstinence-only education, with its religious basis and fear-mongering, has been shown time and time again to be highly ineffective.
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08/16/2011 3:25:00 PM
Um. You do realize that comprehensive sex ed teaches abstinence as the best and safest method, right? It also teaches the skills a person needs to say "no," and to stand by that. It does teach about birth control and STD prevention. It teaches safe negotiation practices and how to begin to navigate the difficult terrain of burgeoning sexuality.
The problem is, abstinence-only education as it exists is negative, based on fear-mongering and lies, is sexist, and is devoid of useful content.
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Proud Mom 08/16/2011 2:01:00 AM
Wsutton, there are a lot of people who feel masturbation is harmful. And it can be if not handled (no pun intended) properly. Sex begins in the mind. First we think and dwell on it and then we act on it. There isn't anything that we do that we have not imagined doing first. Therefore, in my opinion, it is important to teach our children to keep their minds pure. That is the first line of defense in being self-controlled. IN MY OPINION, children should be taught that if the feelings and needs become overwhelming, that it is ok to masturbate in private. I don't believe that is something that should be explained, but left to their curiosity. But at the same time we should gently explain that it is something that should be done in private and not shared with friends (self-control and self respect). I also told my children to keep from using the image of one specific person while doing so and not to look at images from magazines or other media while doing so. That was very successful, and so far my kids have been happy and able to wait for marriage. I agree with you, Wsutton, that abstinence and birth control should both be taught. I, for one, do not want my kids to be sheltered to the point of not being able to live in society.
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Mrs. Kool 08/16/2011 1:13:00 AM
Mrs. Littleton -
I want to congratulate you for fighting for the funding for your Wait Training Program. While driving home from work tonight I heard you on 630 KHOW and I could not believe that Craig Silverman was balking about tax paying dollars going towards this program. Does he not realize that tax paying dollars are already being spent on teaching our children that is permissible to wear a condom and have sex whenever you feel like it. Even Doctors are telling our teenage girls that if they want to get on birth control, just ask for it. What has happened to people's morals?
My husband & I raised two daughters teaching them to "wait" and they have never one time said I wish you had not raised me that way. One of our daughters now has two daughters of her own and she too plans on raising them with the same morals and self esteem.
I would like to encourage all schools to offer this program teaching kids that waiting is the right thing to do - they will not only have a higher self esteem but they will also have the ability to have better relationships with that one person that they find to spend the rest of their lives with.
Keep up the good work promoting your program! Please let me know what I can do to help get this program in our local schools.
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08/16/2011 12:27:00 AM
Abstinence is still a choice and all choices and alternatives should be represented. It's not about just abstaining all together but waiting until you're ready. Not just because a boy wants it, or a girl is agressive. Nothing is going to prevent 100% not even family and church. Abstinance isn't about repressing its about waiting until you're ready or having confidence knowing you want to wait. A month, a year, until marriage it's okay for a kid not to be ready. Kids are pressured into sex and very young ages and it's okay not to do it. I'm not conservative when it comes to sex by all means but not all kids mature the same so it does nothing to protect a child if you can't tell them that they can respect themselves and waith or abstain until they are ready. Your liberal bitter "im okay, we're all okay" attitude does nothing to protect kids form the emotional aspects of sex and just being a kid in general.
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Gregory 08/15/2011 10:48:00 PM
I think part of being responsible is using things to prevent you from becoming pregnant, as well, we don't trust those under 18 to be responsible, so yeah, that may be hard.
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Wsutton34 08/15/2011 9:34:00 PM
Why don't we teach personal responsibility? Is that so hard? As far as sex education go, students should know the in and outs of it. Yes pun intended. At the middle school and high school levels, the basics should be discussed. Intimacy, the feelings, and the ultimate result whether planned or not could end in a child.Period. So many unwanted or unattended babies are brought into this world due to lack of responsibility. Why don't schools stress masturbation? There's nothing wrong with that. Preach abstinence, but also let them know what's out there. Honestly, it really shouldn't be the school's responsibility to discuss sex education. It's the parents'. But then again, shouldn't most things about life be taught by the parents?
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NY Soap Box Broad 08/15/2011 6:09:00 PM
Mrs. Littleton and her ilk are poster girls for the dumbing down of young women in the area of sex ed. As a former volunteer for Planned Parenthod of Vermont ( 1971-73. Teen Clinic Coord.) and a lifelong, single/never married/ childfree-by-choice, 64 year old, Baby Boomer, I am sick and tired of women like Mrs. Littleton ( she clearly is not a Ms....),and Rep.Michele Bachman, et al require that all of us marry in order to have sex, express our love. As the daughter of hardcore Catholic Republicans, I fully understand this view. For some, it works. For most young women who are becoming educated it is simply one option. That is where sex ed is faiiling. We should be empowering teen girls to say 'no', not because the Church or Mrs. Littleton says so, but because they fully and cognitively understand the sensibleness of not having sex right now, I.E., their 'internal 'romantic' computer says " does not compute, ( where as hormones say " let's!"), and the message they get is " this guy is so not worth that much of my time, much less my body". Within the past year or so. MTV interviewed young women on college campuses regarding their use of condoms/ birthcontrol methods. Even at age 20, these young women simply shrug their shoulders and their reply is blase - " yeah sometimes I use a condom but sometimes I don't". ( Why are they not on some type of birth control to begin with? There are only at least 7 different types..duh.). While I get irriated at the abstinence-only crowd, as a feminist who marched so women could have control and choice with their reproductive freedom, I get livid that the young women refuse to stop taking for granted birthcontrol's availability and confront their damn sexuality! They are just babies who want to play but refuse to bring along first aid supplies just in case. . The problem is not in the materials or how they are presented. Nope! The Problem is our kids' attitudes over something so important. I tell young people I talk to :" you can buck the trend and be a teen, but you cannot dispute science and it has been shown, that if you use birth control (not just protection) regularly, with dedication, remembering the important role it plays into your life, you will have a better life."
Teens see sex ed, ho hum, as important , ho hum , as their latest, ho hum , lame , class. Perhaps it is how it is being presented? But then again, too many teens today have a lassiez- faire attitude toward everyone and everything.(I ride the bus with them). Perhaps if Denver Health and Hospitals sent the maternity bill to these arrogant teen mothers and fathers, and take money out of their pay check to pay towards said bill, it could turn out to be the best form of birth control since the ol' sixties suggestion: " Put an aspirin between your knees".
While Mrs. Littleton and her ilk concentrate on kdis, I think their time would be better spent with the low income mothers on welfare who could use the information infinately more then their kid. (It is these irresponsible, culture-driven women who your taxes are paying for, by the way, Mrs. Littleton) Children live what they learn. And maybe if these same conservative who want to get their way no matter what, would target tv, soap operas ( and their whole "some guy will sweep me off my feet" fairy tail) other media that their kids' are exposed to, as well as the fashion industry, maybe inroads might be made. Economic boycotes work surprisingly well. As my Irish mother and father would say, " someone like Mrs. Littleton is simply "shoveling sh** against the tide".
Finally, it doesn't take a government study and associated costs to show that AO programs are not working. Seems to me, if kids can sext their bodies, then they can be taught to spell and google B-I-R-T-H C-O-N-T-R-O-L. But that would be too hard for most parents to do I guess? And then we need to teach them healthy sexuality instead of as I was taught: " woman are occasions of sin, so keep ya blouses buttoned. In college it was feet on the floor:. I suspect Mrs. Littleton longs for those days and should have the BoE pay for some therapy so she can seamlessly realize that she is not "President of All She Surveys", that some are not meant to marry and that does not mean what she would like; and that maybe its time to question your own sexuality in this day and age. Ingorance for young women is not bliss. Education is.
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JJ 08/15/2011 5:09:00 PM
What an ironic statement that abstinence doesn't work!
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jmpmk2@yahoo.com 08/15/2011 10:37:00 AM
A funny thought just popped into my head: that you're more of a sexual deviant than the other 99.9% of the population that you probably go around judging. I respect your individual right to deprive yourself of one of the greater satisfactions we experience as living beings, but the rest of humanity -- and the animal kingdom, for that matter -- aren't wired that way. We are biologically compelled to engage in acts of sex, and depriving yourself of that isn't just religious devotion, but masochism. And just to be clear again, I respect your individual right to be a masochist.
Concerning morality? What determines moral ethics is far greater in scope than a singular parental unit. Parents of children have been guilty of racism, ordered genocides. Warren Jeffs fathered nearly 60 children; should he determine their morals? We rely on socialization to counterbalance parental teachings that deviate from societal norms. Our government -- our very intentionally secular government -- has every right to provide health classes that benefits ALL of its citizens, and not just a specific religious niche, through its education system.
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Jmpmk2 08/15/2011 9:51:00 AM
"In Longmont, with the abstinence education, the incidents of pregnancy have decreased."
Teenage pregnancy has reduced throughout the country, period. That is not specific to Longmont or however they teach health classes. I would chalk that one up to improved communication we have available today. The internet and cell phones allow kids to access universal information that naive parents and church-tainted educational curriculums aren't properly demonstrating.
"She was given so much great information about sexually transmitted diseases, birth control, drugs and their effects, etc."
That's not abstinence-only education.
"Actually, in Bristol's book..."
You read a book that Bristol Palin wrote? Of all the great novels and biographies (of people that actually mattered) in the world, you chose to read the literary equivalent of shotgunning a bottle of bleach? Perhaps you should be less concerned about something as trivial as pre-marital sex and concentrate on providing a better example for your children's ACTUAL education.
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Jmpmk2 08/15/2011 9:22:00 AM
It might be fair for the mother, but it most certainly isn't for the child, who never did anything to deserve abject poverty.
I'm constantly confounded by the contradictions in the modern conservative attitude. Ol' Druid, here, will probably fight to the death for the right of that child to be born, but then insist that child be subject to every societal disadvantage there is. Perhaps, you should readdress your criteria for what is logical?
Concerning the article -- and expanding my thoughts on conservative contradictions -- I find it extremely amusing that anyone claiming that sort of ideology would support anything restricting individual choice. It's becoming extremely apparent that the Fox News/Palin/Limbaugh crowd seldom align with anything traditionally conservative. Can we just go back to what we used to call people like that?
Racists.
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Druid0621 08/15/2011 1:58:00 AM
Off of how many of those entitlement programs do you live? Are you really saying that requiring people to suffer the consequences of their own actions is tantamount to fascism? Typical liberal emotionalism. Don't let logic get in your way - it's too inconvenient and too difficult for you and your ilk to understand.
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Proud Mom 08/14/2011 4:06:00 PM
Actually, in Bristol's book she admits that it is her fault that she got pregnant. She got drunk and had sex with someone. She isn't blaming anyone else for what she did. In Longmont, with the abstinence education, the incidents of pregnancy have decreased. My daughter is a sophomore in HS here and had to take Health. She was given so much great information about sexually transmitted diseases, birth control, drugs and their effects, etc. And she was taught that the best way to keep from having to suffer the consequences of her poor choices, was not to make them. Presently, she has chosen to wait. But she is 15 and is beautiful. It is so hard to stay abstinent in our generation and I know, realistically, that she may not wait until she is married. But because she has all of that information, she will have the knowledge she needs to keep from getting an STD or getting pregnant. And she will also know that it was her own CHOICES that put her there. Taking ownership of our own behavior is the only thing that helps us to move forward in life. That is what Bristol Palin has chosen to do. Good for her!
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Ahkh 08/14/2011 1:58:00 AM
Lets be honest, teens know about birth control. Sex education-abstinance or control-will do little to change the birthrate. You are just gonna get more excuses like "the condom broke".
Lets save the money, if kids get pregnant....take away the baby unless the kid can support it.
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treverla 08/14/2011 1:17:00 AM
To cure "Seniornittis", make sure the little old people recieve NO public assistance.....all those entitlement programs just makes me upset too.....Facist.
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Guest 08/13/2011 7:59:00 PM
And how 'bout we throw the "little daddies" in jail while we're at it? The ones who'd really "suffer the consequences" of these "bad acts" would be the children, you moron!
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Lynne 08/13/2011 7:55:00 PM
The beginning and the end: OVER AND OVER, ACTUAL RESEARCH SHOWS ABSTINENCE EDUCATION DOES NOT WORK. What else is there to say? A bunch of sexually-repressed "conservative" idiotlogues still think it's fine to spend tax money on it? What a bunch of hypocritical fools.
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Imagineapc 08/13/2011 3:15:00 PM
How can you be okay with letting an innocent child suffer for her mother's decision, which was influenced by her (more than likely) abstinence-only education? That's immoral and unacceptable.
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Imagineapc 08/13/2011 3:13:00 PM
When we were kids, we were taught not to touch the stove when it was hot or we would get burned. We were taught not to put a fork in the electric outlet or we would get shocked. We were taught to avoid things that hurt us physically. Sex feels good, and it really is that simple.
The only "talk" I ever received from my parents was after my sister got pregnant at 17 right before her senior year of high school. It consisted of my mom telling me "Don't have sex, and if you do use a condom." So at 19, when that condom broke, I got pregnant and decided to give my baby up for adoption. My parents were furious with my decision. They couldn't understand how I could give up something I created, even though I know I gave him a better life through my decision.
My little brother is now 17, and I have had "the talk" with him several times though we haven't lived in the same city for the past 3 years. Now, over 1100 miles away, I still talk to him about sex. He's 17, of course he is curious and experimenting! But I know that he is being safe because of what he learned through his older sisters' experiences, and because of the talks I have had with him.
Abstinence-only education is not the answer. Abstinence-only education makes kids afraid of their parents' reaction. If kids were given advice on how to protect themselves, I truly believe we would see fewer teen pregnancies and fewer cases of STDs among teens. Instead, they are told from the beginning that the only solution is abstinence. When they do have sex, they are not properly educated on other ways to protect themselves. My own pregnancy could have been prevented, had my mom talked with me more and gotten on some form of reliable birth control. Abstinence is not the problem. Abstinence-only education is the problem.
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Druid0621 08/13/2011 3:05:00 PM
To cure teen pregnancy, make sure the little mommies receive NO public assistance. Once their friends see how difficult life can be, they'll be more careful. We must stop rewarding bad behavior - it creates multi-generational dependency. And yes, we CAN let people suffer for the consequences of their bad acts.
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Bob Grew 08/13/2011 3:35:00 AM
Abstinence does not work, it never has......the reason peer pressure and person desire. You know what works and always has....being honest with these kids...showing them, getting people who have had kids at a young age talking to kids....not telling them sex is bad it causes disease.... what BS,,,,you know why there is an increase in preg and std? It is a simple formula kids are not afraid of having sex they think it will always happen to someone else. The parents are not involved either....kids want to feel like they have something in their lives....well girls do guys still just want sex. So they are left with little alternatives because the schools and parents are PUSSIES when it comes to being honest about sex and what it means....a paper contract about not having sex is as effective as a restraining order is to a determined person. What these politicians want is kids to stay away from sex...tell ya what you moronic politicians stop having sex for six months...no hookers, wives or girlfriends,,,,which are all basically the same. Do what you preach to these kids....bet you cannot do it and if you cannot why would you expect a teenager not to do it...hey sex is good....it is the education they lack and you ball less wonders have NO clue how to teach it.
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Soonerwin101 08/13/2011 2:58:00 AM
The Communists are at the heart of destroying our country... You need to study some history
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Soonerwin101 08/13/2011 2:57:00 AM
LOL... you Communist supporters of free sex are so clueless... you know nothing about history and everything about sex... The Communists consider you "USEFUL IDIOTS" because your pushing their agenda and I suspect most of you are not Communists
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08/12/2011 9:46:00 PM
Thats a big assumption that people want to get married. Who says you have to be married to have a fufilled life. Abstinence is great in theory, but we need to be realistic too and deal with that fact that *gasp* kids may just have sex before getting married.
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Sierra 08/12/2011 5:10:00 PM
Yeah. like Bristol Palin. I'm sure her mother raiser her with no self control. Oh, wait, she's the one that, despite plenty of one-on-one abstinance training and plenty or moral shaming, had sex several times with out the benefit of birth control and wow, got pregnant. She is now making plenty of money by hawking just how darn effective absitnance only education can be.
What a bunch of hypocrits.
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Stan 08/12/2011 3:12:00 AM
I've already been to Detroit, thanks ;-)
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Stannis 08/12/2011 2:22:00 AM
"I disagree with your opinion, therefore my imaginary friend is going to punish you by sending you to an Imaginary Very Bad Place! "
I find your gullibility hilarious.
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Tce911 08/11/2011 11:16:00 PM
Abstinence only education is an idea whose time passed over fify years ago. Kids need to know what they're getting into. Have you ever told a kid not to do something? They want to know why not. They want, and deserve, real answers. Abstinence only sex ed provides them none of the tools they need to make informed decisions. It's a ridiculous premise.
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stevieod 08/11/2011 9:37:00 PM
What a bunch of sick SOBs, thinking that they can just butt into people's private affairs and tell people what to do and not do.
The dissolution of the country is coming, and the right wing is at the heart of it.
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Shave 08/11/2011 7:36:00 PM
This magazine and most of it's readership is hell-bound.
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08/11/2011 7:33:00 PM
I'd love to publish some of these comments in our print edition, ideally with the author's full name and town. If that's okay with you, send a note to me at patricia.calhoun@westword.com (and if you'd prefer to send a different comment for publication, that's fine, too).
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08/11/2011 6:20:00 PM
The very students that need abstinence only instruction are the very same students that fail in school, produce babies like rabbits, drop out, and are dependent on the government for the rest of their lives. They are raised w/o self control and are happy to display no self control when faced with sexual situations!
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Fudge it. 08/11/2011 5:07:00 PM
You obviously took the time to read and comment on this article, so you make yourself look like an idiot preaching about how terrible they are. You just did the equivalent of eating a whole bowl of shit down to the last kernel of half-digested corn, all the while bitching about how terrible it is. Put down the spoon, already! That alone causes me to doubt your broken logic as to why only "rational or intelligent" people teach abstinence. Also, if you had REALLY read the school pamphlets, as opposed to just paraphrasing what you THINK they say, you would not have stated that they encourage teens to explore their sexual side. Then again, it's not your fault... Ignorance causes people to say strange things.
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08/11/2011 1:23:00 PM
Really? I had an in-depth education that encouraged me to wait, but also thoroughly discussed all topics of reproduction, anatomy, pregnancy, stds, and birth control. I knew what to do when I finally did decide to have sex, have never had an std, and at the ripe old age of 28, my husband and I have just had our first child. Morality is up to the parents/church to teach. Not the government. More parents should "man up" like mine did, and have meaningful conversations with their kids. Oh, wait, parenting is not something parents do anymore, is it?
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08/11/2011 1:20:00 PM
Abstinence-only education doesn't work. Sure, you can encourage kids to wait, and do it often, but what happens when they actually decide to "do it"? They have no education on how to protect themselves from stds, emotional harm, physical harm, or pregnancy. You get kids thinking it is completely safe to have oral and anal sex because they aren't having "real sex" and are still "virgins". You get kids thinking that candy wrappers work like condoms. You get kids that don't know where to turn when they actually do get pregnant, don't understand what kind of care is needed, don't understand their own anatomies or basic reproduction, and end up in worse situations than they would be if they had had a real education and not a loosely disguised religious pep-rally. Listen, if you don't want your kids to have sex, then don't leave their education up to the government. Morality is supposed to be taught by the parents/church, because the definition of Morality is different for everyone. This wouldn't even be a conversation if parents would "man up" and quit shying away from meaningful conversations with their children.
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Joeeblowee 08/11/2011 8:52:00 AM
Funny how I hear abstinence doesn't work and should not be taught. If people actually are practicing abstinence are they getting STD's and pregnant? It seems to me any rational or intelligent person would teach abstinence 1st as it is 100% effective(if practiced)against pregnancy and STD's. Even if people take the proper precautions before sex they are not 100% effective. How many women have become pregnant due to a broken condom? How many men refuse to wear condoms at all despite the dangers?
Westword articles has never been anything good except for toilet paper. This article is no different. Abstinence was taught to me in school and it has served me well. I may not have the bragging rights of sleeping with 10 or 20 people but I am also not the person paying child support to someone I knocked up 15 years ago in a drunken one night stand.
I encourage schools to teach both abstinence and proper protection. But as I have read through pamphlets and other forms or sexual education in these schools many of these schools are encouraging teens not to hold back but to explore their sexual side.
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me 08/11/2011 5:20:00 AM
"Girls' brains are like spaghetti, boys' brains are like waffles...boys tuck schoolbooks under their arms at the waist, girls cradle theirs like a baby...boys were made to pursue girls and girls were made to wait to be pursued by boys...we have an entire generation of girls looking for daddy love...you just have to get that viable sperm close to her vagina and she turns on the little Hoover vacuum, because girls are very, very fertile..." really? unbelievable!! Can you plase tel my how my brain is like spaghetti?
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KAdams 08/11/2011 1:27:00 AM
Littleton's statement, "...sex with anyone, anywhere, anytime is not healthy..." sums up this woman's personal feelings, and gives us a very accurate clue to what's REALLY driving her crusade. She hates and fears sex - how sad for her, and any man involved with her.
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08/10/2011 10:59:00 PM
Trying to get teens not to have sex is like holding back the ocean with a dixy cup, you might get some to hold back but most will slip through your fingers. I was a teen in the late 80's and they throw this "wait til marriage" guilt talk with us girls, and guess what, none of us knew about condoms and birth control. The girls were still having sex and doing silly things like you can have sex the first tens days after your period, the pull out method, and just take a hot bath after having sex as a way of not getting pregnant. Well a lot of girls got pregnant and shipped off to special high schools for trouble makers and teen moms. You want to keep your kids safe, talk to them, answer questions without judgement, and teach your kids about birth control. If the girls used the pill or the depo shot and the boy used a condom, Teen pregnancies and STDs would go down to nothing. Abstance never works, keeping someone in the dark and not giving them the tools they need only spells disaster. BTW way, I was a teen mom, I had to put my daughter up for adoption, and it hurt like hell. If my mom just put me on the pill, things would have been different.
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08/10/2011 10:59:00 PM
Abstinence-only funding was refused, but that didn't stop a state school-board member http://bit.ly/raB9Of
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08/10/2011 10:34:00 PM
Littleton is known for her proud conservatism. During the 2004 election cycle, she and state representative Amy Stephens ran for delegate slots as "Blond Babes for Bush," a distinction that earned Littleton an interview with Fox News pundit Sean Hannity. In 2008, she was appointed to the "Palin Truth Squad," part of the McCain campaign's efforts to fight Palin "smears."
during the fight in Congress over health-care reform, Republicans put $250 million for abstinence-only programs into the Affordable Healthcare Act.
I bid she paid herself a HELL OF hefty amount - federal Dallors, AND OFFERED NOTHING.
Palin was pregnant before she got hitched, So much for SMEARS, only plenty of pap smears, lots of it in palin household second bastard grandchild in the making.
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Westword Reader 08/10/2011 9:39:00 PM
Have CDE officials actually read this curriculum? Would they want their children to be taught this rubbish? So many thoughts after reading this article. It worries me that these incompetents are running programs like this and also setting standards and managing grants for public schools in Colorado. What a mess.
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2SL 08/10/2011 9:07:00 PM
Why is the Department of Education funding programs like this?!? How are these programs medically accurate?
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Sierra 08/10/2011 8:34:00 PM
Forgive my classic rock refference to the bubble-headed bleach blond. I forgot that it would be lost on, well, you know.
Thanks Joe, for explaining my point. Telling teenagers to just "have self-control" (not a little, by the way, a lot)over the most basic biological urge is not going to do it. Why don't we just tell people not to eat so much, the obesity problem will be solved! I mean, come on, we teach people how to drive safely, but we still all where seatbelts. You know why? Because shit happens despite best laid plans.
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Doug6815 08/10/2011 8:32:00 PM
Educating people about sex is not asking them to act out their urges. No more than educating a person about firearms is asking them to run around shooting things or teaching a person boxing is leads to them running around beating people up. People are going to make decisions... what's wrong with letting them be better informed before making them?
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Joecode 08/10/2011 8:15:00 PM
Anna, that isn't at all what Sierra said. He is referring to silly, adle-minded nonsense such as: "What adolescents desired was information about loving relationships, and to be given permission to not have sex." Give them permission to NOT have sex? They aren't asking permission. They want it. We should be teaching them why they shouldn't and in case that doesn't work, being smart enough to educate them on alternative choices and not foolishly believing that they will follow the path of abstinence just because they are ordered to.
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08/10/2011 7:54:00 PM
What makes you think it is good to just tell kids to go act out their urges and not develop a little self-control? I think you are the stupid one who seems pretty judgemental of blondes as well.
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Sierra 08/10/2011 7:41:00 PM
Wait kind of bubble-headed bleach blond idiot believes that teenagers will lose all interest in sex if you just ask them nicely. God damn these people are stupid.