If this discourse gives you an uncontrollable urge to shout out an "Amen!" or two, go right ahead: Run won't mind. That's because he's not just a rapper these days. He's also what he calls "a minister among many ministers under a bishop" affiliated with Zoe Ministries, a New York City-based religious organization. His title of choice is Reverend Run, and he wears it proudly. Just as important, he sees no reason why his born-again status should in any way undermine his role as a street-savvy truth-teller. "People might say things behind my back, but they don't say them to my face," he claims. "Maybe not all of them are down with what I'm doing, but I'm able to accomplish things on a lot of different levels--on levels no one has even been to before. They may not believe it, but I'll show them. Yeah--I'll show them."
Clearly, the element of braggadocio that was such a part of Run-D.M.C.'s finest work--the combo's self-titled debut, released in 1984, and the discs King of Rock and Raising Hell, from 1985 and 1986, respectively--is still present in Run's responses. Unlike many music-scene veterans who complain that the industry supports and promulgates an ageist conspiracy that prevents them from reaching the peaks they once routinely scaled, the good reverend speaks as if Run-D.M.C. were still the biggest story in show business. "The people in the rap community look at us, and they're like, 'Wow--Run-D.M.C. This is what I look up to. This is dope,'" he insists. "They're just waiting for the next Run-D.M.C. record. But more than that, they look back on our old things; they look at our track record, and they treat us like royalty. It's sort of like the way it is for the Rolling Stones or Aerosmith in the rock field. We're like that in the hip-hop field. We're just like that."
A less partisan observer would likely provide a different overview of Run-D.M.C.'s recent career--mentioning, for example, that the trio (Run, Darryl "D.M.C." McDaniels and Jason "Jam Master Jay" Mizell) hasn't released an album for four years, let alone experienced a hit. And while current hip-hop superstars such as Q-Tip from A Tribe Called Quest continue to cite Run-D.M.C. as an important influence, it's a good bet that many of the latest generation of rap fans view the outfit as yesterday's news if they've heard of it at all.
Run hopes to change this situation with not one, not two, but three new records in the next year. Actual release dates are up in the air, owing largely to turmoil at Profile Records, Run-D.M.C.'s longtime label. ("Profile's up for sale," Run points out, "so I don't know what's happening there. If it gets sold to another company and changes its name and all that, I don't know what we'll do. I don't understand any of it.") But he is actively involved in recording a new Run-D.M.C. opus--the first since 1993's Down With the King--and a Run solo platter. In addition, he's in the planning stages of what he describes as "a big project for Special Olympics called Reverend Run's Christmas All-Stars. It's going to be like some of those other Christmas albums they made for Special Olympics--we did a song called 'Christmas in Hollis' for one of them--but it's only going to have rap on it. We're still figuring out everyone who's going to be on it, but I met with the Fugees, and they told me they would do it, and I met with Foxy Brown and Redman, and they said they'd do it, too. And I have Snoop Doggy Dogg's phone number, but I haven't gotten around to calling him yet."
What will Run-D.M.C.'s contribution to the album sound like? "We'll do it like we do everything else--Run-D.M.C. style," he declares. "With all of these records, we're not doing anything that far away from what we've always done. Our formula has always worked. It's high-energy--just a basic, old-school type of feeling. We don't try to do anything gimmicky. We just keep it raw and rugged. That's what Run-D.M.C. has always been about."