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Pkerizareth 12/30/2010 8:41:00 PM
fuck you mean, i think you should sit your ass down with that brain washing bullshit. my people died trying to demolish slavery in Haiti. truth be you are right people dont ned a p.h.d to see how stupid you sound agreeing to such a ridiculous idea sch as the theme park. my words to those who plan on building it go ahead, but let not one person with natural born citizen ship be touched for trying to destroy such a stupid project. i for onend one for all say DO NOT BUILD SUCH A THING ON MY FUCKING LAND
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Jean-Francois 02/12/2008 8:29:00 PM
For the oppressed, the central and overriding question was one of identity: who are we as a people, what is our cultural heritage, what values or ideals can we share with other groups to enrich society as whole, and what do we have a right to expect from the state and civil society?
"They came to feel that perhaps they were less than human. The great tragedy of physical slavery was that it led to mental slavery."
For long after the chains had been removed from the body, there remained the awesome task of unshackling the mind. You don't have to work on cotton plantation to be a slave; the mind can be shackled more ignorance and pride than a body can be hobbled by balls and chains.
E-mail: ONELOVE1804@YAHOO.COM
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Jean-Francois 02/12/2008 8:24:00 PM
For centuries, racist attempted to prevent us from connecting with our past. The entire system of slavery was dedicated to preventing us from preserving any memories of Africa, our ancestors� tribal identities, the language we spoke there, the customs we practiced, the gods that we worshipped, even our African names. Slavery was a carefully conceived effort to rob our people of all family ties and the most basic sense of self-knowledge. Slave owners didn�t want their slaves building family trees. They didn�t want them to marry or maintain deep, abiding relations with their mothers and fathers, their grandparents or their siblings. They wanted them to feel no bonds of kinship, especially to Africa or to other Africans. Why? Because a family unit is a bond----and an extended family is a larger bond----and out of such bonds, loyalty and resistance are built. And the last thing in the world slave owners wanted was resistance from our ancestors who were slaves. Slave owners wanted our ancestors to think of themselves as nameless objects of property, plain and simple, like a chicken or a cow.
I am convinced that this still impacts our people today, crippling our ability to know ourselves by connecting with our family�s past in the way that so many White Americans can. Ignorance and misunderstanding of our own history have served as a limitation on what we can achieve. We have internalized generations of doubts and fears about who we are as a people and what we can accomplish, just as White racists wanted us to do. And we continue to pay a terrible price for this.
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Jean-Francois 02/12/2008 8:14:00 PM
To whom it may concern:
If you're register as a non-profit organization, I would like to contribute to organization. Please contact me as soon as possible. I'm in search of a non-profit orgainization that will work toward enhancing Haiti and it's history and culture.
Sincerely,
Jean-Francois
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Jeff Thomas 01/22/2008 2:54:00 AM
To respond to the guy (A Thinking Person) who said Americans don't need visas to go to France or other countries in Europe, you are right. But Haitian need visas to go to France or other European countries. Is that equal? Do Haitians think they are equal to except this? Or do they think it's normal since they are I guess "third world" meaning less human, less rights, less privilaged.
Just wanted to throw that fact out there. And asks questions.
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ed Robinson 01/21/2008 8:17:00 PM
The past is the past, the present is the present the future is the future.
Right. IF the past is the past why is there still today exploitation of poorer communities of people. If the past is the past why do Blacks all over world still believe that the white nations have a strong hold and control over their destinys. Have you heard the speeches of presidents of some of these African countries?. You are right the present is the present. In the present there are unfair and unjust laws that are in place to keep poor countries like Haiti and other African countries in poverty. In the present there is a system that those in power will keep in place, a system that is masked in the name of capitalism that will make the rich richer and the poorer. Why do you embrace this cruel and unusaul system? There are billions of people (most of humans on the planet) That live off of $1 a day, while we in America we waste 25% percent of food we have. What part of that do you have no sympathy for? If you didn't know, Free-Trade Argreements that go on all over the world are not really free. Yes, it works great for America, cause we get to go all over and impose are business policies, but on the other hand a Haitian or African company can not freely or with the same ease, come to American to establish its companies. They have quotas that don't work both ways. You think this is fair? You think it's fair that We can invade any country we want (poor defensless ones)even when the UN says no? YOu think its fair that we hang a country's president for war crimes while our nation is led by a bunch of war criminals?
Oh and the future, well I don't see much improvement if people like you don't care more or read more or give a damn as long as its not your problem. The same mentality that you have is the same mentality that allowed slavery to flourish in the first place. If slavery was still going on today, I would be an abolistionist. You would say "Oh well, that's how it is. That's too bad" And if you disagree ask yourself what you are doing today to fight wrongs in the world. Crimes that our country does.
Talking about this does not divide the country. Pushing dirt under the rug so we feel better will. If we say "You know what, what we did was wrong, let's try to do this right this time." That would make more since than telling your victum, "Hey it's the past." while we continue to enjoy the fruit of our injustices.
It's best to say you don't give a damn than to lie and act like you care about anyone but yourself.
And this is why I am not against the Memory Village. Maybe they should change the name cause it is not only about remebering but about healing or understanding or finding a better solution and preventing this from happening again. The people who really need it are those who have been talking bad about it. It's like medicine, the child will refuse it.
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Arden 01/21/2008 2:38:00 PM
this Memory village they are talking about is so foolish if you don't see that look at the comments.
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Rodriguez 01/21/2008 2:32:00 PM
why don't you try to solve the poverty of the Haitian people instead of talking nonsense
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Barleny 01/21/2008 2:29:00 PM
The past is the past. the present is the present and the future is the future.
Don't try to divide the humanity more than that, what we have it's enought
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Ed robinson 01/21/2008 7:03:00 AM
A haitian wrote:
I'm living in Quebec, but I'm from Haiti. First of all congratulation Mr Luke for your article it make us understand how some black and white people are trying to foolish humanity.
In your next article I would like you to investigate who's this so called Ari Nicolas what his degree in History since I read a lot and I have never heard this name in Haiti. I think he joined this couple white to see how he can get the US 700,000 to put them in his pocket.
Why they don't think to built schools and hospitals for the poor Haitian People instead talking foolish things.
This is the exact self hate that the couple from Denver is trying to rid you of since you can't cure yourself of it. I guess only the unbrainwashed could unbrainwash another. You congradulate the writer, an obvious white man, you do not say much about the couple from Denver, but choose to call out your fellow Haitian Ari Nicolas about how he joined with the whites to steal money. You don't put the white names out there becasue it is your brother that you hate. YOU HAVE BE PACIFIED! and of course taught to hate your brother. Just like when you were a slave. You are only being what your master wants you to be and you confuse that with freedom. Freedom is when you have security in your own country and stop begging for rights at the tables of others.
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ed robinson 01/21/2008 6:47:00 AM
First of all you don't have to have a PHD in history to know history. you just have to know how to read. Malcolm X did not have a PHD in public speaking but he was one of the best ever. Ari Nicolas or whoever doesn't have to be a known name to attempt something big. would it make you feel better if it was Wycleff or Opera? just because you are not doing something significant or worth talking about in your life is not a reason to Hate.
I do agree with the fellow who suggests that they use the money for developmental projects, but the believe is that projects won't work if you hate yourself and don't value who you are.
And the Haitians that are critcizing this man or couple, What are you doing for your county? One is in the US one is in Canada. Why do you think a couple white folks from Denver feel they must do this job in your place. Unless you feel that this isn't your problem. From the story i see that they have lived in haiti for about 22 years and used their retirement money to move down there. You guys leave your country making $12 an hour and think you can really make a difference in your county. Sure you can send a few bucks to some family members, but I think that is less challanging than trying to create a space to unbrainwash whites and blacks alike from the idea the white is better. I can almost bet that both the Haitians that left comments have totally abandon their african roots and traditions to adapt to Caucasian beliefs. If you were wipped to either death or salvation, what makes you think christianity is your choice? If you were no longer brainwashed why would you reject your own roots before slavery? If the white countries that benifited from slavery, (Spain, USA, France, England, and more.)have not lost the advantage they once aquired through force, what makes you think you or no longer at a disadvantage when the evidence speaks for itself.
THe point of the memory village is not a theme park, but it is to unbrainwash you. And trust me you need it!
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Bazile 01/18/2008 8:43:00 PM
This poor people don't want to hear foolish think like Memory Village
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Bazil 01/18/2008 8:40:00 PM
This poor people don't need to hear foolish thing like Memory Village
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george 01/18/2008 8:19:00 PM
I'm living in Quebec, but I'm from Haiti. First of all congratulation Mr Luke for your article it make us understand how some black and white people are trying to foolish humanity.
In your next article I would like you to investigate who's this so called Ari Nicolas what his degree in History since I read a lot and I have never heard this name in Haiti. I think he joined this couple white to see how he can get the US 700,000 to put them in his pocket.
Why they don't think to built schools and hospitals for the poor Haitian People instead talking foolish things.
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Willy 01/18/2008 8:02:00 PM
I'm Haitian living in the US I can not understand how a white couple can be pretented to make Haitian people remember of his own history.According to what I read in thge article none of them has a back ground in History. If there's a Haitian who works with them in that they are making their money. Why don't speak about developping the country
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Wilky 01/18/2008 7:52:00 PM
those people who are talking about memory village crazy
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Carla Bluntschli 01/17/2008 8:37:00 AM
Please publish this to the paper as a correction to this article. Thank you
Dear Luke,
As you asked me to tell you what I thought of your article (http://www.westword.com/2008-01-03/news/slave-to-history/) so though I'm writing this to you personally, I'm also requesting that this would be published in the Westword as a correction to your article. Thank you for your enthusiasm in wanting to share the vision but hopefully what I write here, though totally inadequate, may help to alleviate some of the confusion and perhaps even pain that your article may have unintentionally caused. I also would hope that those who are in the particuarly sensitive profession of journalism would take greater care when choosing words that are so heavily laden with unhealed historical baggage.
There are many things that you got right in the article, details of our lives etc, but there are some major problems with vocabulary choice, and incompleteness in describing the origins and reasons for the memory village along with an incorrect perspective that has caused your article to make a very negative stir around the country.
I believe it was not your intention to make assumptions but given the world that we live in, exactly because of untreated historical wounds, there are quite a few underlying assumptions that I will point out which have unfortunately but with reason, resounded badly in the hearts of Haitians, African Americans who have suffered white domination for over 500 years, as well as disturbing the many sensitive white folks who understand this truer perspective of history.
In your second paragraph, the way the sentence reads it sounds like a white American couple, thus Coloradoan heroes, 200 years after the slave revolt, are now doing something. This simple phrase is so charged with emotion because it's been the more recent history for whites to always be out there trying to fix everything often with so much arrogance and superiority while most of what they are trying to fix is what they or their ancestors messed up to begin with. The sentence has produced a skewed version of an authentic intention that comes from the tip of the iceberg of millions of "white" or European descendants who know not how to atone for the crimes of centuries and understand that doing for is so wrong but rather recognizing and changing ourselves is what is really needed!
"Commemorate the quarantine" almost makes it sound as if it is intended to be a celebration. It would be, once again, arrogant of all arrogances, that one white, foreign couple whose people have benefited from all of the hundreds of years of pillaging, that after 200 years of freedom and independence of Haiti would even think of coming to "commemorate" something so evil as the quarantine that was created by Europeans to break down African peoples for the express purpose of exploitation on the most grandiose scale. The word is wrongly placed. Commemorate can be used to imply a remembering, but as descendants of those who created this torture, we could only call it a mourning or a grieving. Those who suffered are the ones who should commemorate the bravery and resilience of their ancestors who endured it. This usage of words may not seem to have much significance to those of us who were not whipped either by a physical whip or the whip of racial politics and mind sets, but this rings very inappropriate, if not perverse, in the hearts of those who were.
It is extremely difficult to use words to correct words wrongly used, as the justice system so aptly exploits. It is inadequate but there is no other way. Your description of the day's experience would lead one to think that there would be spectators watching the participants being forced to put on chains and dragged through the rest of the experience. Obviously, this would be anathema to the intention.
Imagine the difference that we use in describing the memory village as a spiritual center for ritual healing or a living museum rather than the image created by using titillating vocabulary such as "theme park" that you used (there is one place that we do describe it as a historical park, but then again it has a different image behind it). Because we live in a world of consumerism this evokes more an experience contrived to excite or stimulate the ego. The intention of the memory village couldn't be more opposite. A spiritual center for healing historical wounds hopefully would provoke the idea of deep, intensive healing on a collective level. The memory village experience hopes through this experience together all three peoples of the 3 continents of Europe, Africa and the Americas can heal by remembering what happened. Many religions in the world have this as part of their rituals, to reenact the stories in order to remember. The same spiritual impetus as Christians re-enacting and remembering the crucifixion, or the story of Esther of the Jewish heritage or the African diaspora remembering the imprisonment on the coast of Africa of millions of Africans by a remembering ritual. It probably is the most ancient of all human rituals, remembering.
Another major mistake is that this is NOT something that my husband and I are doing together. My husband totally supports the work I do together with my 2 Haitian associates, but he is NOT involved actively in this work and is not part of the play either, nor did he go on tour with us. Therefore it is not something that "they", the Coloradoan couple, have dreamed up. It is not our vision, it is not our initiative, it is not a Coloradoan initiative, we are not buying land in our name, it will not be ours, it is not an outsider's idea. My husband and I know all too well the well-intentioned ideas and initiatives that foreigners bring to this land to try and fix it!!! But, again, the intention couldn't be more the opposite!!! This vision was given to and is owned by, with the desire of sharing with the whole world, one of the most original Haitians in the world, Harry Nicolas, with whom I have had the honor and privilege to have worked with for the past 15 years. My part of the dream is that people of my historical heritage may understand, recognize, and then with courage, acknowledge this history with the hope that together we may heal this bleeding, infected wound as It may be the only chance to live in harmony on what is left of this dying planet.
Haiti has lovingly broken us and is still in the process of remolding us into more humn human beings that we may be used to draw our own people across this bridge through our fears so that we may have the courage to confront this historical amnesia in order to heal our collective histories. I am utterly indebted to the people of Haiti of yesterday and today. n a sonje.
Carla Bluntschli http://memoryvillage.blogspot.com http://nasonje.blogspot.com http://3innocents.blogspot.com
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Ed Rodinson 01/16/2008 7:10:00 AM
TO respond to the guy who asks if the wealthy haitians suffer? the answer is yes, if he has money but can not rent a car in his own country just because he doesn't have an american passport or visa? And by the way, the French don't need visas to come to America as tourist. And Americans can go to France without a visa as tourist but to go and work and for school, they do need visas. The rules seem to be a bit equal when White/richer nations deal with each other.
An American with no money has more rights and freedom in Haiti than a wealthy Haitian in America if they both have the same amount of Paperwork.
And the fact that you ask me if I ever met a Haitian is not an important question. Did I have to have met a slave to know it was wrong. I can see injustice weather I have met a Haitian or not. I can see how our great country treats the Haitians and other nations without being a member of the oppressed. I can read? Can you? I can research? Can you? I can be honest. Can you? Despite our privilage in America I can still connect our crimes to it. Can you?
Anyways, back to the people who criticize the History of Slavery project, It is very convenient for us to just say "Forget about it, it is over and not a big deal." Whenever Blacks anywhere are done wrong, we say forget about it. When whites are done wrong the whole world morns and history will never forget. If you think that treatment of blacks and whites are equal I advise you to do some more reading.
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Mawiyah 01/15/2008 8:03:00 PM
Being an Afrikan-american living in Haiti and having lived with Karla, Ari, and Ron during the first year of my relocation here, I can tell you that N A Sonje is a sincere initiative. As evidenced by the way the article was written and the subsequent responses, healing the wounds of chattel slavery is a long, arduous process. But as one comment noted, to heal we must first remember and acknowledge the action. The work comes in changing the sometimes hidden behaviors of intolerance, arrogance and misinformed feelings of superiority. There are many aspects to this issue...but one observation I've made during my twenty years of working in Haiti and 49 plus years of living in the states is that fear is the enemy. When we don't understand a culture or a people, the western thing to do is to eliminate the threat. Sometimes the "helping hand" is the hand that sends 25 year old frozen chicken to Haiti. Needless to say, I don't eat chicken from the states here. Living in Haiti has sharpened my senses to injustices that abound under the name of development and globalization. Perhaps if more Americans were more politically and socially aware, the "remembering" could take on another form. N A Sonje is a necessary piece.
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thinking person 01/15/2008 9:47:00 AM
"An American does not need a visa to go to France" is what I meant. Or any European country for that matter.
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thinking person 01/15/2008 9:46:00 AM
To the comment just before, an American does not need a passport to go to France, does this then mean the French see themselves as less than Americans? What embarrassing and nonsensical logic you've used. Of course, a Haitian may find life more difficult in Haiti than in America. He unfortunately does not have the luxurious funds that an American tourist has to blithely and absentmindedly spend in Haiti. Would you suggest that wealthy Haitians find life difficult? Much in the way that the poor in America find life difficult to live poor Haitians encounter barriers. I also wonder of the person above, if they have in fact spoken to a Haitian. Its always entitlement and self-importance that gives someone the impression they have the right to comment on other cultures in such a simplistic, reductive, and not-balanced way.
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Ed Robinson 01/12/2008 8:18:00 PM
If Haitians in Haiti really thought they were equal to whites, why else would it be policy that you have to have a US passport and US credit card to rent a car in Haiti? Why else do you not need a visa to go to Haiti but a Haitian must have one to visit the States? Why would the Haitian people not support a Haitian airline everytime one comes along, but fully support American Airlines dispite all its professional mistakes.
Why is it acceptable for White companies to come in Haiti and instal their business with no barriers, while it is not possible for a Haitian to do so in the States. A Haitian has more barriers in his own land than Whites.
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hatitiman 01/11/2008 12:52:00 PM
I don't think a theme park will remind haitian the horror of slavery. I think we already know what went on during slavery. That's why we have museums.
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Wow 01/10/2008 8:31:00 PM
This is Bull. Haitian people are a proud people and they are not afraid or revere white people. This is just an excuse to once again rape our culture as Black people. This is sick.
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Nancy Bennett 01/10/2008 5:12:00 PM
The skepticism reflected in some of the earlier comments is totally unfounded. Having visited the site and beginnings of the museum, and having had the privilege of knowing the Bluntschlis for over 12 years, I can assure you that their intent is exactly that, that is portrayed in the article. The Bluntschlis are dedicated, hard working people who live a materially spartan life -- by U.S. standareds, an extremly spartan life. They deserve the admiration and support of us all.
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Leroy Brown 01/07/2008 5:53:00 PM
Death to all white people.
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Jeff Thomas 01/06/2008 8:59:00 AM
The arguement is not about how many slaves went to the Islamic world vs those that went to America.
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Cayse 01/05/2008 11:00:00 AM
Complete horse crap. To assume that Liberal White Guilt is worthy of a news story is pure ignorance.
Does anyone at this newspaper even know the history of Haiti? Slavery? How many slaves went to the Americas vs the Islamic world?
Just ridiculous.
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Jeff Thomas 01/05/2008 9:24:00 AM
I think people are missing the point here. The article states that Blacks see themselves as inferior to whites and whites see themselves as superior to blacks and this is not just in Haiti but even here in America or all over the world. Every black country or nation has been a victim of one or more white nations. This is a fact through slavery and colinazation. The point of the memory village is not to remember just to remember, but to go back to the point where blacks were taught by submission or death to hate themselves and veiw whites are superior. It's like counselling after rape. It's to deal with the trauma.
If we can not even admit this then we can not heal, both whites and blacks. And of course blacks mistreat blacks today, what do you think they were forced to do during slavery and colinazation? Who do you think taught this self-hatred? Us whites deep inside think we are better therefore insensitive to the horrors that our ansestors caused. If my father raped and abused someone, I must be like him if I act like it wasn't a big deal. If I blame that person before I blame my father or my previlage, then this abuse is sure to repeat itself.
So before you comment on things you only know about through what your friends told you, read a little more about the history. The genocide in Rwanda happened because the Belgium colinizers divided the people with their ideas of superiority.
Wake up people.
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Jerry Jones 01/04/2008 5:27:00 PM
Sounds to me like the Bluntschlis woke up one morning and said, "Wow, Haitians have been treated horribly throughout history. I wonder how can we cash in on that?"
I also strongly disagree that it's completely "western culture's fault" (ie. "white people's fault") that Haiti is in the shape that it's in today.
I know I'll be blasted as racist for saying this, but look at other black nations of the world to see shining examples of how black people treat thier own. Start with Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. The oppression that black people have endured under black African regimes is a thousand times worse than anything they've experienced under apartheid.
Extreme poverty, unsanitary conditions, widepsread violence including rape, amputations and murder -- it's all commonplace under oppressive governments, whether they're run by whites or blacks. Constantly pointing the finger at European-Americans is just as racist as blaming African-Americans for all the world's ills.
Instead of building a monument to Haitian victimhood, all that money could be used to help lift a lot of Hatians out of their third-world prison and put them on the path toward better lives. Unfortunately, there's no money in that for the Bluntschlis.
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Steve Miller 01/03/2008 11:20:00 PM
This is ridiculous, of all things to try to remember, ok remember it, but make a theme park about it? Come on, I only hope that this idea get's the support it deserves, none.
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rane 01/03/2008 8:59:00 AM
I usually read comments like the one I'm making now and get upset at the audacity of that comment's author. That being said, this was the worst piece (from a journalistic standpoint) that I have ever read. Both the writer and editor should be replaced with middle school students.